MagusSmurf | 579 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 What if you put glorious quality classic Famicom game Lasagna Cat into the NES? SURELY IT PUTS THE INFERIOR WESTERN LIBRARY TO SHAME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,715 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, the_wizard_666 said: I'm Italian. That's the only way. Anything less isn't lasagne. To be fair, Wiz probably has an Italian mother threatening to have him sleep with the fishes if he gets a noodle a quarter inch out of alignment. Of course he's going to have exacting lasagna standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 12,263 Administrator · Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, the_wizard_666 said: It would be delicious. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkchylde28 | 1,546 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 19 hours ago, fcgamer said: The Japanese classify the disk system as its own thing Ok, then run the games for it without connecting it to a Famicom and let me know how that goes. I'll wait. FDS games are a subset of the library of the Famicom itself, seeing as they require the Famicom hardware itself to play them (and not just for the video out capabilities of the system). They are different from the cartridge games, and should be considered a subset of the Famicom library, but they are absolutely not something else unto their own until the FDS itself (and not a Twin Famicom unless you delete all the actual Famicom hardware inside before the attempt) can run the games all on its own. 19 hours ago, phart010 said: NES and Famicom don’t have the same exact hardware though. For example, Famicom controller 2 has a built in microphone. As a result, many games used its functionality… even Zelda! And the extra sound channel while still present in NES, it is not enabled. You have to modify the hardware to enable it. When they ported software from Famicom to NES they had to remove microphone functionality as well as the extra sound channel due to hardware incompatibility. Just sayin Also, do you consider the 60-pin port and the 72-pin port as “hardware”? If you do, they are not the same… I actually read all the way through this thread before replying, so I know what you're doing here, but seriously...did you not read what I wrote at least a couple of times earlier? I preemptively copped to the four "major" differences between the NES and Famicom--the cart connectors, the expansion ports, the fact that the expansion port audio wasn't connected in the NES, and the microphone in the second controller. All of the logic and chips are on the NES to deal with the latter two things, you just have to wire them up. The first two can be accomplished on the NES via passive pass-through adapters which just point the Famicom's pinout to the correct spots on the NES. Those four things are almost completely cosmetic changes, and are absolutely just regional differences between the two consoles. 19 hours ago, Dr. Morbis said: Yeah, FDS is technically different. I wanted to say it's analogous to the 32X vs Genesis, but really it's much closer than that. Most FDS games can be made cart-compatible with changing just a small segment of code. I've got Doki Doki Panic, SMB2J and a few other FDS games on cart form, and I can't believe the Chinese bootleggers would have had to spend months and months reworking the entire code. So the code does have to be hacked, but I'm guessing that 95% of the code is compatible with the NES/Famicom architecture... So yeah, the FDS is technically a different system in my view, but it's about as close to the NES/Famicom as you can possibly get without saying it's the same library... The code differences between FDS games and cart games comes down to calls to the disk drive and its controller (the RAM adapter) versus talking to hardware on a cartridge. FDS games are 100% Famicom games, just ones that require a special bit of hardware in order to get the data from their diskettes into the RAM of the Famicom. If they were actually different systems (and the same goes for stuff like the Sega/Mega CD), then you wouldn't need to piggyback them onto its parent system for it to work. I concede that they're 100% subsets of their respective libraries, but they aren't separate systems or consoles all on their own, at least not until the add-ons can play games by themselves. 19 hours ago, phart010 said: According to this, it would be impossible to complete a game of Super Chinese 2 on an NES system due to hardware limitations Super Chinese 2This game apparently has a place in game where you must blow into the mic to be able to proceed. Confirmed in this video: http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18096475 at 22:14 there's a dialogue with princess Leila and she tells you to blow into the microphone to prove yourself. And if you properly hooked up a microphone-equipped controller to an NES (which is 100% possible, since the hardware inside the console is the same as the Famicom's), you'd 100% be able to do so. I guess Power Pad games are 100% their own thing, then, because you'd have to hook up the required accessory in order to play them based on this line of thinking, right? 16 hours ago, Tanooki said: Tristar 64 would shake the magic 8 ball and point out 'all signs point to yes' Therefore it must be true. Going to agree from experience that the FDS is its own thing, so fcgamer got that one right, much like how people view the SegaCD as it's own system and same with the Turbo/PCE CD, it may be co-dependent, but it's its own hardware and software library that stands alone. Tristar64 wasn't a passthrough adapter, it had SOAC hardware inside, so it wasn't simply an adapter and wouldn't apply As for the FDS (and Sega CD, Turbo CD, etc.), it's not 100% its own thing, otherwise it wouldn't need the "mother" console connected in order to be able to play its games. Those types of games which require a specific system add-on to be played can absolutely be considered their own sub-set of the main library, but until they can play their games all on their own (and with all the guts matching the mother system removed in the case of systems like the Twin Famicom or PCE CD systems where both parts were built into one chassis), they aren't, and never will be, completely separate. 10 hours ago, the_wizard_666 said: The FDS is comparable to the Sega CD and absolutely should not be considered as part of the Famicom library. Those carts you speak of were ports, not simply conversions. It takes more to play them without an FDS unit than just putting the same code on a chip. The FDS expanded the capabilities of the Famicom in the same way that the SCD did with the Genesis/Mega Drive. It'd be like saying the SCD library should be considered part of the Genesis library because some of the games exist in cart form. They should, though, but as sub-sets of the main library. If they were their own thing, then the add-on alone would be able to play the games, and they simply can't. The biggest thing that the add-ons do is allow the data on the inserted media to be read into memory on the parent console, at which point the parent console is what actually runs the games. In the case of the FDS, it's literally just a floppy disk drive and a floppy disk controller that you plug into the Famicom, as well as the custom software burned to ROMs in order to boot up in the Famicom. Until such add-ons can run their own titles without the parent hardware being attached (or present, such as in the cases of the Twin Famicom, etc.), they simply cannot be separate systems. 6 hours ago, Link said: NES, Atari, Apple II, and C64 all use the same CPU Actually the NES and C64 had different CPUs from the Atari and Apple II, as well as each other. Everything you mentioned is 6502 based, but the NES's version is a custom Ricoh variant, and the C64 uses the 6510, another custom version of the 6502, this time produced by MOS specifically for Commodore. 30 minutes ago, Sumez said: Also, all FDS games are Famicom games (as are MegaCD games MegaDrive games), but clearly not all Famicom games are FDS games. I can understand seeing FDS as a separate platform, because games are made specifically to be used with it - to run it, not just as a peripheral, so I'm cool with that. But for most purposes trying to separate them from the rest of the NES/FC library, doesn't really do much good, so it makes sense to see it as a subset. I see them as subsets of their parent libraries, as the add-on games cannot function without the parent console's hardware present. If they were truly separate systems or consoles, they wouldn't have to be plugged into their parent system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_wizard_666 | 1,333 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 41 minutes ago, Tulpa said: To be fair, Wiz probably has an Italian mother threatening to have him sleep with the fishes if he gets a noodle a quarter inch out of alignment. Of course he's going to have exacting lasagna standards. Not so much my mom, but my grandma for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,715 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, the_wizard_666 said: Not so much my mom, but my grandma for sure. I figured either mom or grandma. It's always one or the other, or Lord help you, both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PII | 2,035 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, the_wizard_666 said: 56 minutes ago, Tulpa said: To be fair, Wiz probably has an Italian mother threatening to have him sleep with the fishes if he gets a noodle a quarter inch out of alignment. Of course he's going to have exacting lasagna standards. Not so much my mom, but my grandma for sure. Lol. I can't help imagining this as a funny little comic. Too bad there's no one around here who could create such a thing. ... .... ..... ................................. ................................................. ................................ Edited January 9, 2023 by PII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,783 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Gloves said: I imagine he's adding multiple different cheeses, hand-rolling the pasta, raising his own livestock... It's an all day affair, man. Just make sure to massage the cow for a good hour before slaughter. Believe me it makes all the difference in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanooki | 5,121 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Gloves said: I think he's asleep. Yeah 13 hours ahead, it's 5:30am~ as of when I wrote this, tomorrow morning. 4 hours ago, Tulpa said: Actually not snark, just pointing out the disconnect of castigating a set of games without having played them, which is a core (if not THE core) of his argument. Kind of blows a gaping hole in his credibility. I get that, and I'm not sure how far he dug down the US rabbithole, some sure, but famicom is more that wheelhouse there for him along with FDS and probably being the most versed in all the piratey shenanigans. It's strange having never owned a Famicom nor really growing up with it, but because of the high level of warezy shit I pulled 25 years ago give or take so much of it I had to try out, test, work with so I have some passing memory of plenty more than likely most westerners. Sad thing, thinking about it, I'd be more in line with not getting hosed by gaping credibility holes with the FC. 3 hours ago, wongojack said: This thread is interesting. Question here - has anyone ever hooked a Famicom Disk System up to a NES? Is it possible to do so? I'm not trying to imply anything by the question, I'm just interested if such a thing has ever been done. I'm fairly certain I saw it rigged up using a top loader since it and the AV Famicom are basically the same structurally speaking on top other than the pin difference, and that can be dealt with using a honeybee(or other) low profile adapter. I've considered getting a FDS and doing just what I'm writing about here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Tulpa said: So wait, have you actually PLAYED the majority the North American exclusives? I have, though I wish I hadn't. I have drawers and drawers of these bootlegs, which are all western exclusives. I actually think I'd likely have a better idea of the exclusives than many here, since I actually had to research things when trying to document and collect these bootlegs (doing the same for Genesis exclusives btw). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 The NES exclusives are going to be something like this. There might be a few mistakes on it. Which ones are the hidden gems that I am missing? 6 in 1 (Caltron) 720 Degrees A Nightmare on Elm Street Action 52 Addams Family Addams Family: Pugsley’s Scavenger Hunt Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: DragonStrike Adventures of Golligan’s Island Adventures of Lolo Adventures of Rad Gravity Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends After Burner Airwolf Alex DeMeo’s Race America (Race America) Alfred Chicken Alien 3 American Gladiators Anticipation Arch Rivals: A Basket Brawl! Archon Arkista’s Ring Attack of the Killer Tomatoes Baby Boomer Back to the Future Back to the Future II & III Bad Street Brawler Bandai Golf: Challenge Pebble Beach Barbie Barker Bill’s Trick Shooting Baseball Stars II Batman Returns Battle Chess Battleship Battletoads & Double Dragon Bee 52 Beetlejuice Best of the Best: Championship Karate Bible Adventures Bible Buffet Big Nose Freaks Out Big Nose the Caveman Bigfoot Bill & Ted’s Excellent Video Game Adventure Bill Elliott’s NASCAR Challenge Blackjack (AVE) Blues Brothers Bo Jackson Baseball Bram Stoker’s Dracula Break Time: The National Pool Tour BreakThru Bubble Bath Babes Cabal Caesar’s Palace California Games Captain America and the Advengers Captain Comic: The Adventure Captain Planet and the Planeteers Captain Skyhawk Casino Kid II Castle of Deceit Caveman Games Challenge of the Dragon Championship Pool Chessmaster Chiller Classic Concentration Cliffhanger Cobra Triangle Color a Dinosaur Conan Contra Force Cool World Crystal Mines Cyber Stadium Series: Base Wars Cyberball Cybernoid: The Fighting Machine Danny Sullivan’s Indy Heat Darkman Dash Galaxy in the Alien Asylum Day Dreamin’ Davey Days of Thunder Death Race Deathbots Defender of the Crown Defenders of Dynatron City Destination Earthstar Dick Tracy Digger T. Rock: Legend of the Lost City Dirt Harry Disney’s Adventures in the Magic Kingdom Disney’s Darkwing Duck Disney’s TaleSpin Disney’s The Jungle Book Dizzy the Adventurer Donkey Kong Classics Double Dare Double Strike Dudes with Attitude Dynowarz: Destruction of Spondylus Eliminator Boat Duel Exodus: Journey to the Promised Land F-117A Stealth Fighter F-15 City War F-15 Strike Eagle Family Feud Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy Fantasy Zone Felix the Cat Fester’s Quest Firehawk Fisher-Price: Firehouse Rescue Fisher-Price: I Can Remember Fisher-Price: Perfect Fit Flight of the Intruder Flintstones: The Surprise at Dinosaur Peak! Flying Warriors Formula One: Built to Win Fox’s Peter Pan & the Pirates: The Revenge of Captain Hook Frankenstein: The Monster Returns Freedom Force Friday the 13th Fun House G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero G.I. Joe: The Atlantis Factor Galactic Crusader Galaxy 5000: Racing in the 51st Century Garry Kitchen’s Battletank Gauntlet Gauntlet II George Foreman’s KO Boxing Ghostbusters II Ghoul School Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters Gotcha! The Sport! Great Waldo Search Greg Norman’s Golf Power Gumshoe Harlem Globetrotters Heavy Shreddin’ High Spoeed Hollywood Squares Home Alone Home Alone 2: Lost in New York Hunt for Red October Immortal Impossible Mission II Incredible Crash Dummies Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1991) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1993) Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Infiltrator IronSword: Wizards & Warriors II Ivan “Ironman” Stewart’s Super Off Road Jack Nicklaus’ Greatest 18 Holes of Major Championship Golf James Bond Jr. Jaws Jeopardy! Jeopardy! 25th Anniversary Edition Jeopardy! Junior Edition Jim Henson’s Muppet Adventure: Chaos at the Carnival Jimmy Connors Tennis Joe & Mac John Elway’s Quarterback Jordan vs Bird: One on One Joshua & the Battle of Jericho Jurassic Park Karate Kid KickMaster King Neptune’s Adventure King of Kings: The Early Years King’s Quest V Kings of the Beach Kiwi Kraze KlashBall Krazy Kreatures Krusty’s Fun House Last Action Hero Last Ninja Last Starfighter Legendary Wings Legends of the Diamond: The Baseball Championship Game Lemmings Lethal Weapon Linus Spacehead’s Cosmic Crusade Lone Ranger Loopz Low G Man: The Low Gravity Man M.C. Kids M.U.L.E. Mad Max Magic Johnson’s Fast Break Magician Major League Baseball Maniac Mansion Marble Madness Mario is Missing! Mario’s Time Machine Master Chu and the Drunkard Hu Maxi 15 Mechanized Attack Menace Beach Mermaids of Atlantis: The Riddle of the Magic Bubble Mickey’a Safari in Letterland Mickey’s Adventure in Numberland Micro Machines Mig 29: Soviet Fighter Miracle Piano Teaching System Mission Cobra Mission: Impossible Monster in My Pocket Monster Party Monster Truck Rally Moon Ranger Motor City Patrol Ms. Pac Man (Namco) Ms. Pac Man (Tengen) Mutant Virus: Crisis in a Computer World NARC NES Play Action Football NFL Football Nigel Mansell’s World Championship Racing Nightshade Nintendo World Championships 1990 Operation: Secret Storm Orb 3-D Overlord P’radikus Conflict Pac-Mania Paperboy 2 Peek a Boo Poker Pesterminator: The Western Exterminator Pictionary Pinbot Pipe Dream Pirates! Platoon Power Blade Power Punch II Prince of Persia Punisher Puss ‘N Boots: Pero’s Great Adventure Puzzle Pyramid Q*Bert Qix Quattro Adventure Quattro Arcade Quattro Sports R.B.I. Baseball 2 R.B.I. Baseball 3 R.C. Pro-Am R.C. Pro-Am II Rad Racer II Rad Racket: Deluxe Tennis II Raid 2020 Rampage Rampart Remote Control Ren & Stimpy Show: Buckaroo$! Road Runner RoadBlasters Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves RoboCop 3 Robodemons Rocket Ranger Rocketeer Roger Clemens’ MVP Baseball Rollerblade Racer Rollergames Roundball 2-on-2 Challenge Secret Scout in the Temple of Demise Sesame Street: 123 Sesame Street: ABC Sesame Street: ABC & 123 Sesame Street: Big Bird’s Hide & Speak Sesame Street: Countdown Shinobi ShockWave Shooting Range Short Order / Eggsplode! Silent Assault Silent Service Silkworm? Silver Surfer Simpsons: Bart vs the Space Mutants Simpsons: Bart vs the World Simpsons: Bartman Meets Radioactive Man Skate or Die Skate or Die 2: The Search for Double Trouble Ski or Die Skull & Crossbones Sky Shark Slalom Smash T.V. Snake Rattle n Roll Snake’s Revenge Solar Jetman: Hunt for the Golden Warpship Solitaire (AVE) Space Shuttle Project Spider-Man: Return of the Sinister Six Spiritual Warfare Spy Hunter Stanley: The Search for Dr. Livingston Star Trek: 25th Anniversary Star Trek: The Next Generation StarTropics Stealth ATF Strider? Stunt Kids Sunday Funday: The Ride Super Cars Super Glove Ball Super Jeopardy! Super Mario Bros / Duck Hunt Super Mario Bros / Duck Hunt / World Class Track Meet Super Spike V’Ball / Nintendo World Cup Swamp Thing Swords and Serpents T&C Surf Designs: Thrilla’s Surfari T&C Surf Designs: Wood & Water Rage Taboo: The Sixth Sense Tagin’ Dragon Target: Renegade Tecmo Baseball Tecmo NBA Basketball Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters Terminator Tetris (Tengen) Three Stooges Thundercade Tiles of Fate Time Lord Tiny Toon Adventures: Cartoon Workshop To the Earth Toobin’ Total Recall Toxic Crusaders Treasure Master Trog! Trolls on Treasure Island Ultima: Warriors of Destiny Ultimate League Soccer Ultimate Stuntman Uncanny X-Men Venice Beach Volleyball Videomation Vindicators Wally Bear and the NO! Gang Wayne Gretzky Hockey Wayne’s World Wheel of Fortune Wheel of Fortune: Family Edition Wheel of Fortune: Featuring Vanna White Wheel of Fortune: Junior Edition Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego? Where’s Waldo? Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Widget Win, Lose, or Draw Wizards & Warriors III: Kuros: Visions of Power Wolverine World Games WWF King of the Ring WWF Wrestlemania WWF WrestleMania: Steel Cage Challenge Xenophobe Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Zen: Intergalactic Ninja Zoda’s Revenge: Star Tropics II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,715 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, fcgamer said: I have, though I wish I hadn't. I have drawers and drawers of these bootlegs, which are all western exclusives. I actually think I'd likely have a better idea of the exclusives than many here, since I actually had to research things when trying to document and collect these bootlegs (doing the same for Genesis exclusives btw). Then what does this statement mean? 6 minutes ago, fcgamer said: I mean, can't really take part in the other competitions when I don't have the NES games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tulpa said: Then what does this statement mean? I don't have the gray squares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,715 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, fcgamer said: I don't have the gray squares. That doesn't disqualify you. People play in the contest with ROMs/emulators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 12,263 Administrator · Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Yeah having the grey squares isn't a requirement at all, please feel free to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankos | 548 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 @fcgamerIsn't Caltron just a trimmed down Asder 20 in 1? I guess it is technically a different release, but for the purposes of comparing gameplay quality between the FC and NES I don't think it counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tulpa said: That doesn't disqualify you. People play in the contest with ROMs/emulators. I don't play games on emulators, nor do I use flash drives unless it's for dev / testing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,715 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, fcgamer said: I don't play games on emulators, nor do I use flash drives unless it's for dev / testing stuff. Yeah, but ... don't you have the cartridges, like in that picture? Bootlegs don't disqualify you, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ankos said: @fcgamerIsn't Caltron just a trimmed down Asder 20 in 1? I guess it is technically a different release, but for the purposes of comparing gameplay quality between the FC and NES I don't think it counts Actually Caltron was released on Famicom too, just not in Japan. The discussion was NES versus (Japanese) Famicom, if we want to open it up to Famiclone stuff as well, well then basically 98% of the exclusives were released in Famiclone regions back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Tulpa said: Yeah, but ... don't you have the cartridges, like in that picture? Bootlegs don't disqualify you, either. I thought we can't use alternative versions, as they wouldn't be necessarily the same as the NES ones in terms of difficulty, lives, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,715 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, fcgamer said: I thought we can't use alternative versions, as they wouldn't be necessarily the same as the NES ones in terms of difficulty, lives, etc. Okay, so are those or are those not the western exclusives? Because if they're different, they might skew your perspective on them, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves | 12,263 Administrator · Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, fcgamer said: I thought we can't use alternative versions, as they wouldn't be necessarily the same as the NES ones in terms of difficulty, lives, etc. Could prob check w/ Bea & Guill, but I imagine if they're bootlegs it's likely a 1:1 copy right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tulpa said: Okay, so are those or are those not the western exclusives? Because if they're different, they might skew your perspective on them, yes? They are Nintendo of America western exclusives. Besides that, something you might be forgetting is I had a lot of these games years ago when I collected NES. Now back to that list, which are the hidden gems? I'm not seeing a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcgamer | 5,015 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gloves said: Could prob check w/ Bea & Guill, but I imagine if they're bootlegs it's likely a 1:1 copy right? It really depends from game to game, though there's patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,715 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, fcgamer said: They are Nintendo of America western exclusives. Besides that, something you might be forgetting is I had a lot of these games years ago when I collected NES. Okay, which games on the list did you have? And how thoroughly did you play through them? I'm not trying to catch you in a gotcha or anything, just making sure there's no bias that might be creeping into your argument. At any rate, plenty of people have played through the majority of the library. But can you give an assessment of the NA exclusives? Like a one or two liner for each? Then others can chime in and we'll see how it stacks up. Edited January 10, 2023 by Tulpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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