Reed Rothchild | 9,918 Editorials Team · Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 For everyone cheering that the orange menace is no more, this piece echoes my fears that this is only the beginning... https://newrepublic.com/article/160212/republican-party-dead-its-trump-cult-now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said: For everyone cheering that the orange menace is no more, this piece echoes my fears that this is only the beginning... https://newrepublic.com/article/160212/republican-party-dead-its-trump-cult-now Yes, it is incredibly discouraging, but I'm holding out hope that SOMETHING in the long list of potential state and federal charges against him succeeds in ruining him before 2024, and simultaneously somehow manages to get his followers to pull their heads out of their asses about how much of a genuine problem the guy really is in terms of divisiveness and stirring up shit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,704 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: simultaneously somehow manages to get his followers to pull their heads out of their asses about how much of a genuine problem the guy really is in terms of divisiveness and stirring up shit. The problem is they want someone who will stir up shit. Someone that, to quote someone here, ( ) isn't presidential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tulpa said: The problem is they want someone who will stir up shit. Someone that, to quote someone here, ( ) isn't presidential. It's all well and good until they stir up enough distrust in the system to start armed conflict in the streets. I heard his lawyer on Rush LImbaugh today while I was running errands, it it was genuinely scary. Really and truly scary that people are believing the bullshit they're spinning without doing any of their own fact check reading, whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpa | 3,704 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: It's all well and good until they stir up enough distrust in the system to start armed conflict in the streets. I've seen some of them want that, too. "Ready for the next Civil War!" and all that. Very scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Tulpa said: I've seen some of them want that, too. "Ready for the next Civil War!" and all that. Very scary. And what's worse, a big swath of other-wise normal people on that side, see that and pile on with "but peaceful protests" false equivalency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, arch_8ngel said: And what's worse, a big swath of other-wise normal people on that side, see that and pile on with "but peaceful protests" false equivalency. So when do they start getting shot with rubber bullets? Isnt that what we do to protestors now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, MrWunderful said: So when do they start getting shot with rubber bullets? Isnt that what we do to protestors now-a-days Well, the straw-purchase guy for Kyle Rittenhouse getting prosecuted is a big step in restoring confidence that rightwing "protesters" aren't going to just get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 For anyone following the developments with the ballot fraud investigation, this is the “Kraken” that the Trump team has been talking about releasing for the past few days: If what they are alleging is proven true, then all hell is about to break loose, not just in the US but in some other countries that used the software in their elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, phart010 said: For anyone following the developments with the ballot fraud investigation, this is the “Kraken” that the Trump team has been talking about releasing for the past few days: If what they are alleging is proven true, then all hell is about to break loose, not just in the US but in some other countries that used the software in their elections The sound wasnt working, can you give me the cliff notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, MrWunderful said: The sound wasnt working. Yea I watching it live and about halfway through they had technical difficulties. Apparently it was done on zoom and the tech guy that was broadcasting it went off mute and started joking about Rudy Giulianis bald head sweating. Then him and the guy with him were like “hey can they hear us?” Then they were like “nah”. They dropped several f-bombs in there conversation, then the zoom window appeared around the border. Then the whole thing went mute. Now I was disconnected from the broadcast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, phart010 said: Yea I watching it live and about halfway through they had technical difficulties. Apparently it was done on zoom and the tech guy that was broadcasting it went off mute and started joking about Rudy Giulianis bald head sweating. Then him and the guy with him were like “hey can they hear us?” Then they were like “nah”. They dropped several f-bombs in there conversation, then the zoom window appeared around the border. Then the whole thing went mute. Now I was disconnected from the broadcast. I meant like, what are they alleging happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, phart010 said: Yea I watching it live and about halfway through they had technical difficulties. Apparently it was done on zoom and the tech guy that was broadcasting it went off mute and started joking about Rudy Giulianis bald head sweating. Then him and the guy with him were like “hey can they hear us?” Then they were like “nah”. They dropped several f-bombs in there conversation, then the zoom window appeared around the border. Then the whole thing went mute. Now I was disconnected from the broadcast. Ok and now the video has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Hill | 284 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Video has now been removed? I was about halfway through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MrWunderful said: I meant like, what are they alleging happened? Basically they were alleging that the voting software was developed by an offshore company in some other country and the votes get sent to some offshore servers to get tallied. They said there’s count altering algorithms that can be activated, multiple backdoors (physical and software) built into the systems that can allow altering the count locally and remotely. They said that the origin of these systems was actually an order from none other than Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. They said he ordered these systems to be created in order to guarantee election wins in Venezuela and also to change the outcome of an election in Argentina. They basically said that the company that developed this system has been soliciting its system to other countries around the world and that many of the worlds elections have been altered by this means. If it is true, then how does the world deal with that? Aren’t all the election winners kind of grandfathered in, especially if they’ve been doing their job for years now. 2020 is a hell of a year. Edited November 19, 2020 by phart010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Oops double post Edited November 19, 2020 by phart010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Rothchild | 9,918 Editorials Team · Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Keep throwing shit at the wall, keep watching none of it stick https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/11/fact-check-giuliani-dominion-software-is-not-developed-by-engineers-from-venezuela-and-votes-are-not-sent-to-servers-in-spain.html https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9740535009 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-dominion-voting-systems-fraud-claims/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, phart010 said: Basically they were alleging that the voting software was developed by an offshore company in some other country and the votes get sent to some offshore servers to get tallied. They said there’s count altering algorithms that can be activated, multiple backdoors (physical and software) built into the systems that can allow altering the count locally and remotely. They said that the origin of these systems was actually an order from none other than Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. They said he ordered these systems to be created in order to guarantee election wins in Venezuela and also to change the outcome of an election in Argentina. They basically said that the company that developed this system has been soliciting its system to other countries around the world and that many of the worlds elections have been altered by this means. If it is true, then how does the world deal with that? Aren’t all the election winners kind of grandfathered in, especially if they’ve been doing their job for years now. 2020 is a hell of a year. Oh ok, basically more nonsense. For a second I thought they might have something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said: Keep throwing shit at the wall, keep watching none of it stick Depends on how much fiber you include in your diet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Reed Rothchild said: Keep throwing shit at the wall, keep watching none of it stick https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/11/fact-check-giuliani-dominion-software-is-not-developed-by-engineers-from-venezuela-and-votes-are-not-sent-to-servers-in-spain.html https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9740535009 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-dominion-voting-systems-fraud-claims/ I think Im siding with The CISA and 59 internet security professionals over someone who got tricked by borat, and whos head leaks embalming fluid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, MrWunderful said: I think Im siding with The CISA and 59 internet security professionals over someone who got tricked by borat, and whos head leaks embalming fluid You know what this is going to turn into. Right: SEE! They even took down the video Left: it was just a technical difficulty. You guys are crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, phart010 said: You know what this is going to turn into. Right: SEE! They even took down the video Left: it was just a technical difficulty. You guys are crazy You are a smart guy, do you actually buy into this being this grand hacking plan that was only perpatrated against Trump, only in areas he lost by small margins while ignoring senate races? If I was a legitimate media outlet like CNN I wouldn’t play this nonsense either. I mean, Guliani was using my cousin Vinny refrences lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart010 | 1,779 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MrWunderful said: You are a smart guy, do you actually buy into this being this grand hacking plan that was only perpatrated against Trump, only in areas he lost by small margins while ignoring senate races? If I was a legitimate media outlet like CNN I wouldn’t play this nonsense either. I mean, Guliani was using my cousin Vinny refrences lol Ill admit that our court system has it’s share of failings in the criminal justice. But for a high profile case like this, and with many eyes scrutinizing the evidence from both sides, I just can’t see bogus claims making it through and being corroborated by the top judges. I guess what I’m saying is I don’t know. To be fair and objective, I think that every claim that’s made should be looked into. I am a dad and I have a full time job, so I don’t have the time to spend looking into all of these allegations myself. Courts are supposed to be objective. I’ll leave it up to the courts to determine and whatever they find (whether fraud or just baseless allegations), we’ll just have to trust in their findings. Edited November 19, 2020 by phart010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWunderful | 2,932 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, phart010 said: Ill admit that our court system has it’s share of failings in the criminal justice. But for a high profile case like this, and with many eyes scrutinizing the evidence from both sides, I just can’t see bogus claims making it through and being corroborated by the top judges. I guess what I’m saying is I don’t know. To be fair and objective, I think that every claim that’s made should be looked into. I am a dad and I have a full time job, so I don’t have the time to spend looking into all of these allegations myself. Courts are supposed to be objective. I’ll leave it up to the courts to determine and whatever they find (whether fraud or just baseless allegations), we’ll just have to trust in their findings. I’m hoping you mean “claims with evidence” because any ridiculous claim is a waste of tax payer money. But I agree, claims with CREDIBLE EVIDENCE should be looked into. Arent lawyers held to a standard by the Bar? (Not directed at you, just a general question) I wonder if any of these people bringing the nonsense lawsuits are going to face legal reprocussions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch_8ngel | 1,597 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, phart010 said: I guess what I’m saying is I don’t know. To be fair and objective, ... To be fair and objective Trump's and his lawyer's primary path of "attack" should not be so deeply ingrained with ridiculous conspiracy theories. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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