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2 hours ago, Daniel_Doyce said:

Yeah just bail out and you can retake it at whatever higher level you get it back at (if I remember correctly)

If you are curious about the ping ponging way to level up quickly, a couple of maniacs posted speedruns to youtube.

I could go take a quick look I suppose.

I did manage to grab a couple more territories too, so I'm carving out a nice chunk of territory now.  I may not even need to abandon that one, I'll just send the troops elsewhere and attack it's neighbours with the good provinces 😛  But yeah, progress is definitely coming a lot faster than I thought it would.  But I do feel like a wall is gonna get hit when I eliminate all these weaker guys.

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Well, I looked into quick ranking in Shingen the Ruler, and unfortunately the way it's done in the speedrun doesn't work this late into the game, as they simply field too many troops to win the auto-battles like they do in that speedrun.  And since I'd rather not restart the game, I'm just gonna play it out.  I've now managed to take the entire southeast chunk of the map, meaning I control exactly four territories along borders, so I can pretty much ignore the bulk of the interior.  Now I'm focusing on building my armies, primarily in the north but also along the southwest edge, as Nobunaga's level 42 territory is bordering my next opponent in that direction.  However, after that opponent falls, that territory will simply be a money field that I'll keep fully stocked with armies for defensive purposes and otherwise just focus on development.  That's probably where I'll park Shingen himself as well, so I can focus on building up my heir, who is now two or three years old and, while he likely won't end up taking over at this rate, I'd rather play it safe than be fucked down the road.  My primary target is Kenshin Uesugi in the north, and working my way around the island.  Once I take out General Li's level 42 army, I should be able to beat Nobunaga in his level 55 home base without much issue.  It may take a bit to get strong enough to wear out General Li, (I'm only in the 20s), but since him and Nobunaga are the only ones above level 40, the rest should fall easily after that point.  And since Kenshin's in the 30s, he'll end up getting me part way there anyway before I even get near the General.  I think if I focus on it I'll have it knocked out in two or three days.

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Progress Report:

Today I focused on Shingen the Ruler, and managed to whittle down Uesugi while building my own forces to take him out, despite the territory next to him beginning a full 20 levels lower than him.  I managed to rise from level 17 to 23 between the start and finish.  I'm now at the point where I have the entire eastern half of the map, and only three border territories in total.  My highest level force is currently bordered on three forces, but two are ranked below me, so the only concern is General Li's level 41 army (mine is only level 28, but I've won a couple skirmishes against him).  I've also decided to keep a buffer between me and Nobunaga for the time being, although I'm still slapping those territories periodically to keep their numbers down and boost my border levels a bit, but my primary focus is in the north.  I've also got the luxury now of having a "free" move, so I'm using my backwaters to draft troops instead of messing up the front lines.  I then buy troops cheaper in the rear and send them to the front, allowing me to keep my focus on attacking.  I feel confident that I'll be able to take out General Li soon, and then from there the only real concern is Nobunaga...and even that won't be too bad...I hope 😛  I'm also attacking the territory on Li's border to keep it's numbers low, in the hopes that the General decides to expand to it and divide his forces.

Anyway, I really am enjoying the game, although it's probably not one I'll play again.  While the battles are more satisfying and strategic than the Koei games, the domestic side is kind of lacking overall.  I'd take it over the Nobunaga's Ambition games, but I'd put it on the same level as Gemfire, in that it's a good game, but not good enough to want to replay when it's done.  Also like Gemfire, I think the difficulty is fairly low overall (once you figure the game out), so I'd recommend it as a starting point for someone new to the genre that wants to see what it's about without getting overwhelmed.

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9 hours ago, nerdynebraskan said:

Tombs & Treasure is done.

I have a real soft spot for that one.  Love the old Infocom adventures, and that one is no exception.  It tries to pass itself off as an RPG, but the only way to be strong enough to beat each enemy is to follow the prescribed path, so it's incredibly linear and doesn't really have any replay value (short of re-experiencing the story, which isn't their best either).  It was actually on my short list early in my collecting days, due to having rented it a couple times and enjoying it, but I haven't played it since beating it in 2010, and likely won't for that reason.  Still, I'm curious how you felt about it, since it was one of my favourite rental discoveries back in the day.

Anyway, my progress report: General Li has fallen (as well as the Ikko Sect shortly after), and my main force is at level 32 or 33 now. I'm pretty sure I'll beat Nobunaga without issue now, it's just a matter of getting to him.  This one'll be done soon enough.  Still haven't started a secondary game either...I've dabbled in a few titles, but nothing's grabbed me as yet.

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12 hours ago, the_wizard_666 said:

I have a real soft spot for [Tombs & Treasure].[...]  Still, I'm curious how you felt about it, since it was one of my favourite rental discoveries back in the day.

I never even heard of it growing up. I picked up my first copy about a dozen years ago, and I pretty quickly discarded it as yet another cryptic point and click adventure game. I have never had much patience for the genre. 

It's something I only started playing because of this challenge thread, because these adventure games are pretty easy to clear with a walkthrough. It's not as pretty or satisfying as Star Trek 25th Anniversary or Magician, but I still dig the music and the rare use of Mexican ruins and mythology in an NES game. 

In other news, I've started Guardian Legend, and will hopefully knock it out by midweek. I'm also still playing Lolo 2, but it's slow going on some of the trickier puzzles as I am trying to beat it mostly legit.

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1 hour ago, nerdynebraskan said:

I never even heard of it growing up. I picked up my first copy about a dozen years ago, and I pretty quickly discarded it as yet another cryptic point and click adventure game. I have never had much patience for the genre. 

It's something I only started playing because of this challenge thread, because these adventure games are pretty easy to clear with a walkthrough. It's not as pretty or satisfying as Star Trek 25th Anniversary or Magician, but I still dig the music and the rare use of Mexican ruins and mythology in an NES game. 

In other news, I've started Guardian Legend, and will hopefully knock it out by midweek. I'm also still playing Lolo 2, but it's slow going on some of the trickier puzzles as I am trying to beat it mostly legit.

I agree there.  It doesn't even hold up as well next to similar NES games, like the Kemco trilogy.  But it's still pretty solid regardless.  Star Trek 25th was also pretty damn good, although it's got a lot more action than most adventure games normally do.  As for Magician, is it really that good?  It's on my "to do" list, but between you mentioning it here and Crabmaster recommending it, I think I may move it up the list a bit 😛

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29 minutes ago, the_wizard_666 said:

As for Magician, is it really that good?  It's on my "to do" list, but between you mentioning it here and Crabmaster recommending it, I think I may move it up the list a bit 😛

Well, I certainly enjoy Magician enough to look forward to doing it once a year for this thread. And I'm probably due in the next couple of weeks, unless someone is going to beat me to it. (So do say something if you're itching to take it on.)

The game is a unique blend. It looks and controls like a side-scrolling Action-RPG; there's even a bit of platforming involved. Your character comes to wield a huge arsenal of magic spells, and a lot of the game's challenge is supposed to be in finding when and where it is advantageous to you to wield said spells. There's even a whiff of an RPG-style level system, where you're constantly looking for "experiences" to raise your Max Mana count. But at its heart, Magician is a very linear adventure game: items to fetch, puzzles to solve, and instant death traps to add to your playtime.

The best part of the game is how well it immerses you in its own moodiness. The music is very emotional. The in-game text narration is very well scripted. There's a great line in the lake stage, where Paul can see the lights of his home village on the far side of the lake and he suddenly feels very homesick.

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1 hour ago, nerdynebraskan said:

Well, I certainly enjoy Magician enough to look forward to doing it once a year for this thread. And I'm probably due in the next couple of weeks, unless someone is going to beat me to it. (So do say something if you're itching to take it on.)

The game is a unique blend. It looks and controls like a side-scrolling Action-RPG; there's even a bit of platforming involved. Your character comes to wield a huge arsenal of magic spells, and a lot of the game's challenge is supposed to be in finding when and where it is advantageous to you to wield said spells. There's even a whiff of an RPG-style level system, where you're constantly looking for "experiences" to raise your Max Mana count. But at its heart, Magician is a very linear adventure game: items to fetch, puzzles to solve, and instant death traps to add to your playtime.

The best part of the game is how well it immerses you in its own moodiness. The music is very emotional. The in-game text narration is very well scripted. There's a great line in the lake stage, where Paul can see the lights of his home village on the far side of the lake and he suddenly feels very homesick.

Sounds like I have my new "break" game then 😛  Almost done with Shingen now, down to four territories remaining, although three of them are currently held by Nobunaga.  But only one borders my territories, and all three of those borders are near max troops, so it shouldn't be TOO difficult to take him out.  I think I'll beat him first, just so he's not the last guy to fall.  The other one still outranks me too, but he's only level 42 instead of 55, so he'll fall a bit easier.  And with only one border territory at that point, I should have enough troops to take them both out without grinding too much.  Maybe another day or two at most, as I have other things that need doing too 😛

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Kiki Kaikai is done. The hit detection (for you getting hit) is a little wonky, and it doesn't really tell you that you got hit at all, you have to watch your bar to tell if you got hit. 

That said, it is a fun game. It's not particularly difficult, despite the fact that there are no lives or continues. Would recommend it

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16 minutes ago, Khromak said:

Kiki Kaikai is done. The hit detection (for you getting hit) is a little wonky, and it doesn't really tell you that you got hit at all, you have to watch your bar to tell if you got hit. 

That said, it is a fun game. It's not particularly difficult, despite the fact that there are no lives or continues. Would recommend it

 

Let me guess, next one's gonna be Dirty Pair? 😛  Has anyone else done one of the FDS games, or did you just claim 9/10 on your own?

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18 minutes ago, the_wizard_666 said:

Let me guess, next one's gonna be Dirty Pair? 😛  Has anyone else done one of the FDS games, or did you just claim 9/10 on your own?

Well...Sorta. I have claimed 9/10 of the list and I'm going to take some tries at Dirty Pair...but I'm not very good at shmups and I've heard this one is brutally difficult. Watched some footage and it looks like it will be very difficult for me, especially considering the lives it offers. Who knows though, it would be really nice to do 10/10 so I'll put some effort into it.

Might need someone to help me finish out the set though 😄

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2 minutes ago, Khromak said:

Well...Sorta. I have claimed 9/10 of the list and I'm going to take some tries at Dirty Pair...but I'm not very good at shmups and I've heard this one is brutally difficult. Watched some footage and it looks like it will be very difficult for me, especially considering the lives it offers. Who knows though, it would be really nice to do 10/10 so I'll put some effort into it.

Might need someone to help me finish out the set though 😄

I've knocked off a few games I never thought I would.  Practice does wonders.  You got this!

Also, I've reduced Nobunaga to a single territory, leaving two left on the map...I'll probably have Shingen the Ruler done in a couple hours at most, unless I decide to eat 😛

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In July, 1561, the Takeda Army went up to the capital, unifying a nation.  Shingen the Ruler is done.  And only at age 40, so nowhere near having his son take the reins.  Decent game, but far too easy for a veteran of the genre.  I'm probably never playing it again, but that said, it was totally worth playing through once!

EDIT: In fact, the final battle, I won the first portion manually, and then said "what the hell" and auto-battled.  Even though I didn't win, I left him with 3 HQ units and 1 infantry, so another auto-battle the following month wiped him out.  So I didn't even need to play the decisive battle...though if I did my army would've probably been a LOT larger at the end 😛  And for those curious, I was only at level 38 when I started fighting.  So yeah, no need to rank up even close to the max, just gotta get strong enough that your rifles and archers can do decent damage to the enemy's HQ units.

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18 hours ago, the_wizard_666 said:

In July, 1561, the Takeda Army went up to the capital, unifying a nation.  Shingen the Ruler is done.  And only at age 40, so nowhere near having his son take the reins.  Decent game, but far too easy for a veteran of the genre.  I'm probably never playing it again, but that said, it was totally worth playing through once!

EDIT: In fact, the final battle, I won the first portion manually, and then said "what the hell" and auto-battled.  Even though I didn't win, I left him with 3 HQ units and 1 infantry, so another auto-battle the following month wiped him out.  So I didn't even need to play the decisive battle...though if I did my army would've probably been a LOT larger at the end 😛  And for those curious, I was only at level 38 when I started fighting.  So yeah, no need to rank up even close to the max, just gotta get strong enough that your rifles and archers can do decent damage to the enemy's HQ units.

Wow, eerily similar to my stats when I beat the game a few years back: Feb 1561, age 40, Rank 41.  Congrats!

Now go and beat Nobunaga II so you can finally have all the NES Koei games under your belt... 😛

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1 hour ago, Dr. Morbis said:

Wow, eerily similar to my stats when I beat the game a few years back: Feb 1561, age 40, Rank 41.  Congrats!

Now go and beat Nobunaga II so you can finally have all the NES Koei games under your belt... 😛

Just as soon as you contribute a second game to the list 😛

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Well, I decided to start up something I've wanted to play through for years and just never got around to it.  Next on the hit list is Willow.  Just beat the first boss, and am about to head west of Dew.  Not sure what's ahead, apparently I'm supposed to look for a fairy and a dragon scale, but who knows where those'll come into play.  It's been a LONG time since I last played it, and I don't think I even got this far into it. 

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2 hours ago, Jeevan said:

is anyone working on any of the dragon warriors?

If not i can prolly beat one this week to help out 😉  Let me know, i see dw 1 is done, i can do 1 of the other 3 if needed.......

I think @Khromakstarted a DWIII game a few weeks ago. Somebody posted a screenshot a little while ago but I haven't seen updates since. 

I was considering doing one of them. Would you prefer doing II or IV? I'd be willing to commit to the one left over. 

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Yeah I've got a DW3 game going, though I'm not all that far in it, only a few hours thus far. I will definitely continue it and finish it out though, if you all don't mind. I was thinking this party composition would be a challenge, but now that I think about the power of Transform, I think it's going to be very easy, actually.

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3 hours ago, nerdynebraskan said:

I think @Khromakstarted a DWIII game a few weeks ago. Somebody posted a screenshot a little while ago but I haven't seen updates since. 

I was considering doing one of them. Would you prefer doing II or IV? I'd be willing to commit to the one left over. 

i can work on 2 as im most familiar with that one and it will be quick

Love 4, but don't think i can commit to the final chapter where i can't control anyone lol

 

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